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		<title>Dangerous fascination with angels</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[This has been on my heart and mind for a while now. I never really understood the fascination with angels, but I know that in the 90&#8242;s there was a huge surge of interest in angels, and it seems like it&#8217;s back again. I&#8217;m thinking of some &#8220;revivals&#8221; that were all about angels, and some [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been on my heart and mind for a while now.  I never really understood the fascination with angels, but I know that in the 90&#8242;s there was a huge surge of interest in angels, and it seems like it&#8217;s back again.  I&#8217;m thinking of some &#8220;revivals&#8221; that were all about angels, and some &#8220;preachers&#8221; that lend more weight to angels than to Jesus.  I believe in angels, I love angels, and yes, they are a curiosity because they are like, yet very much unlike, people.  But there are some very unhealthy doctrines being bandied about regarding angels, and I think that as Bible-believing Christians we really need to question this stuff because it can so very easily take our focus off of Jesus, and distract us with cool/flashy/hip things like angels and what they&#8217;re doing around us.</p>
<p>Since angels are in the Bible, I whole-heartedly believe in them.  Absolutely and without question.  What I do question is what people describe as the <i>purpose</i> of angels.  I question this need to describe the angelic hierarchy, to categorize them, to find out their names, to talk with them, pray to them, or order them about like they are our own personal genies.  We have been told to worship God, yet I believe that what a lot of people are doing is worshipping angels.</p>
<p>The definition of &#8220;worship&#8221; is: adoration, reverence, devotion.  When people focus on angels, seek after them, talk to them, concentrate on them, then they are, in essence, worshipping them.  There is a stern warning about worshipping angels, and people who read their Bibles would know it:</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Now I, John, saw and heard these things.  And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.  Then he said to me, &#8220;See that you do not do that.  For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book.  Worship God.&#8221;</i>&#8221; (Rev 22:8-9, NKJV)</p>
<p>John was told not to worship the angel who had shown him such amazing and wonderful things as indicated in the book of Revelations.  Why then would we think it is ok to give angels this same reverence and adoration <i>today</i> when it wasn&#8217;t ok to do it 2000 years ago?</p>
<p>As with all things, the Bible is our litmus test.  So what does the Bible say about angels?  It doesn&#8217;t talk much about angelic hierarchies, and very few angels are named.  But it clearly says that angels are messengers of God, that they lead or prepare the way according to God&#8217;s Will, and that they also stand in the way, hinder, and destroy certain things &#8212; again, according to God&#8217;s Will.  Angels are always met with reverence &#8212; not only because they are supernatural beings, but because they were a manifestation of the Will of God, because they brought God&#8217;s message to people.  Heb 1:14 says that angels are &#8220;ministering spirits&#8221; .  Psalms 91:11 and Psalms 103:20 say that angels do <i>God&#8217;s</i> commands, not ours.  Matt 13:41 indicates that Jesus commands angels, not us.<br />
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There is another very clear warning against angel worship:</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.</i>&#8221; (Col 2:18-19, NKJV)</p>
<p>I like how the Message reads for that passage as well:</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Don&#8217;t tolerate people who try to run your life, ordering you to bow and scrape, insisting that you join their obsession with angels and that you seek out visions.  They&#8217;re a lot of hot air, that&#8217;s all they are.  They&#8217;re completely out of touch with the source of life, Christ, who puts us together in one piece, whose very breath and blood flow through us.  He is the Head and we are the body.  We can grow up healthy in God only as he nourishes us.</i>&#8221; (Col 2:18-19, MSG)</p>
<p>The warning is clear: don&#8217;t chase after angels, chase after Jesus &#8212; <i>He</i> is the Head, and <i>He</i> is the source of life.  Don&#8217;t follow vain ideas, outlandish obsessions, things that satisfy the flesh.  This is what angel worship is.</p>
<p>Also look to Heb 1:4 and 1:6; Jesus is superior to angels, and angels worship Jesus.  So if Jesus is so much more than angels, why do people put faith in angels, and pray to angels, and worship angels.  Why worship the created rather than the Creator?</p>
<p>I also find it very dangerous because a lot of the &#8220;reading materials&#8221; about guardian angels and information on angels, sounds suspiciously like New Age spirit guides.  Any Christian will tell you that a &#8220;spirit guide&#8221; is nothing but demonic, but why do we go soft when talking about angels?  In particular, why is it that the same meditational practice to talk to your angel is so similar to that of talking to a &#8220;spirit guide&#8221;, but because it&#8217;s an angel it&#8217;s ok?  Read the following quote and tell me if this is something that a Bible-believing Christian should <i>ever</i> do:</p>
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Make yourself comfortable, sitting or lying down. Be aware of your breathing&#8230; Let your body become limp and relaxed. Empty your mind; create space, just as though the whole of the universe was there, inside you. Now just be. No doing. Only being. Communicate to your angel that you wish to connect with her/him. Wait in peace. Be aware of what happens. It may not seem much at first. Be patient. Subtle changes will occur. You may see light, colors or form. You may be aware of a presence. You may feel tingling sensations. You may feel emotion. You will feel love. You can ask or invoke, use stillness for clear reception, use &#8220;heart sensing,&#8221; pay them by sending them love, and maintain harmony in your aura and home environment.
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<p>The source of the above quote is a catholic web site that is devoted to angels and information on angels.  The mission statement and beliefs of the site, as stated, all sound great: they believe in the Holy Trinity, they believe in prayer, in anointed worship, and so forth.  It sounds very inspiring and very Christian.  <i>Until</i> you read the above.  If you were to do a search on how to contact your spirit guide, you would find similar themes as the above: be aware of breathing, relax, empty your mind, visualize, speak with your angel (aka spirit guide).  What kind of heresy is this!  Confess Jesus as the Christ and then tell people that communicating with angels in a prescribed meditational way that is identical to New Age or spiritist/medium/occult mechanisms is ok?  No, more than ok, that people <i>should</i> be doing this?  That it is ok?  What nonsense is this?  And more importantly, why do people who call themselves Christian buy into this rot when it is so clearly spoken against in the Bible?</p>
<p>To conclude, I know what kind of angels these people who claim to talk to them, visualize them, converse with them, and so forth are actually dealing with.  There are two types of angels: the holy angels that obey God the Father and Jesus the Son, and the fallen angels that follow Satan.  Since we know that the New Age movement and &#8220;spirit guides&#8221; are of the devil, then would it not make sense to conclude that angels contacted in the same fashion are from the same origin?  Rev 9:11 says that Satan is an angel and Rev 12:7-9 says Satan has angels.</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>But what I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the things of which they boast.  For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.  And no wonder!  For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.  Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.</i>&#8221; (2 Cor 11:12-15, NKJV)</p>
<p>Satan comes as an angel of light, with subtlety, with feelings of love and warm fuzzies.  Do not be deceived!  We are told to test the spirits, but how many do?  So wrapped up in the wonderful feelings, the adoration, the <i>worship</i> of these beings they do not think to question.  Yet we are told explicitly to test the spirits:</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.  By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God.  And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.</i>&#8221; (1 John 4:1-3, NKJV)</p>
<p>I think the message is abundantly clear.  We do not command angels.  They are not here to do our bidding.  We are not to worship them or chase after them.  We are not supposed to pray to them.  They are servants of Jesus, just as we are.  Their purpose and function is to praise God and do His Work, just as it is for us.  Anything that puts esteem on angels, or a focus on angels, is taking away glory that belongs to God.  A holy angel of God would not at all want to take away glory from God.  But an angel of darkness sure would.  That was the reason why Lucifer was cast out of heaven to begin with!  He thought to exalt himself above God.  Any doctrine that tries to do the same thing is of the same origin.</p>
<p>As Christians we need to be aware of this and not chase after or find a fascination in this kind of thing.  This is demonic, New Age teaching to the core.  It has been spruced up to put a &#8220;Christian&#8221; or &#8220;Jewish&#8221; face on something that is of terrible danger, to make it more palatable to people.  We need to discern this kind of teaching and be aware of it, and toss it out when it comes at you, rebuking it in the name of Jesus.  Anything that takes His Glory away from <i>Him</i> is not anything we as Christians should participate in, even slightly.  My prayers belong to my Saviour and Redeemer, Jesus, and if He sees fit to send an angel to answer them, then blessed am I!  But if not, that is ok too.  No angel will be receiving my prayers, thank you very much!</p>
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The last five months have been&#8230; interesting, exciting, wild, stretching, and growing.  God has been moving in amazing ways and I believe it all turned around because we were obedient to Him and did what He asked of my wife and I.  This is a bit of a long story, but to give some background, my wife and I had gone through presbytery four years ago and had an amazing and somewhat frightening/exciting Word spoken over us.  For those that don&#8217;t know what presbytery is, it&#8217;s when you fast and pray and seek God and have prophets speak God&#8217;s Word over you.  For some, it provides life direction, for some it gives insight into the future that God has planned for you, for some it&#8217;s just plain old encouragement.  If you&#8217;ve never been to a prophetic meeting like this, it really is something to behold.  The Holy Spirit moves in ways that can&#8217;t even be described.  Re-reading the word spoken over us still brings tears to my eyes and chills down my spine.</p>
<p>Without getting into it overly much (because there is a lot), the main thrust of the word was that we were going to be deeply rooted in the House of God, and that we would be involved with people.  We would have a heart of evangelism, and a hunger in our spirit to see God&#8217;s Will done in the earth.  That we would go up against the enemy and not be afraid and, just as importantly, have a God-given power over the enemy.  That our home would be open, that we would get involved in discipleship and mentoring and getting involved in people&#8217;s lives.  That we would have a spirit of outreach.</p>
<p>These are beautiful things to hear, but for someone who doesn&#8217;t really like people, this wasn&#8217;t really what I wanted to hear.  I&#8217;m not really a people person, and I&#8217;m also very cynical and critical of people; part of that has to do with my personality, and part of that is due to my job and its lack of social interactions.  My passion for God was most definitely there, but my passion for people was&#8230; pretty lacking.  My wife is the complete opposite.  She loves people, but being told we would be coming up against dark kingdoms really concerned her.  I&#8217;ve had a past that dealt with spiritual warfare, so I can&#8217;t say I was comfortable with it, but it wasn&#8217;t scary because I know how powerful God can be in those situations.</p>
<p>So for four years this prophetic word has been remembered and forgotten, ignored and cried out for&#8230; but all things are in His timing.  And just before last Christmas, He brought us to a whole new level of faith, passion, worship&#8230; and looking back now, we can pin-point to exactly when He started unfolding His plan for us.<br />
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It began with our nephew, who was 18 and leading a life not at all pleasing to God.  He was not living at home, and he was involved with a girl that we had been told was being abused at home (she was 17).  We had them over for dinner and were trying to help them, encourage them, and speak to them; he was looking for work and was going to get an apartment so he could take care of her and get her out of her (abusive) home.  I had such a strong feeling that we needed to bring her into our house, but I didn&#8217;t say anything about it.  I told God that if this was from Him, it needed to come from my wife.  Well, a few weeks later we were talking about the kids and what was going on, and she brought up the idea of her staying with us, and then I told her what I had been feeling.  And she talked to her mother, and she also said that she was thinking the same thing but didn&#8217;t want to suggest it since it wasn&#8217;t her place.</p>
<p>After that we extended the invitation.  Keep in mind that at this point we hardly knew the girl and had no idea what we were getting into.  We only knew that God wanted us to do this, and we prayed and sought His Will and everything we prayed that would tell us this was from Him came to pass.  This was going to be a major disruption to our small family unit, but we wanted to be obedient.  As the date was fast approaching, talking with my nephew, we knew there was some serious spiritual baggage here as well.  She was adopted at a young age (four or five) and was given up by a mother who was into witchcraft and paganism.  She saw her birth mother occasionally and received crystals and other new age items from her.  And a witch&#8217;s spellbook.</p>
<p>At this point, I started praying overtime because I did NOT want that in my home.  However God wanted to ensure it didn&#8217;t get into my home, I was praying that it would stay out.  At the same time I confessed that the book had no power in my home, so if it did make it in there, it would be dead words with no power.  At the same time, I wasn&#8217;t supposed to know about this book, so I didn&#8217;t want to call her out on it.  I had to trust that God would do what was right for our family.</p>
<p>After about a week we were talking about Christianity and alternate religions and she mentioned that she had a spellbook, and this was where I tensed.  But, praise God, she said she had left it at her parents&#8217; place because she didn&#8217;t feel it would be appropriate to bring it here (she very much knew we were Christian).  Hallelujah!</p>
<p>We were prepared to have her as part of our family for a long time to come.  We didn&#8217;t have overly strict rules, but having a young daughter &#8212; there were things we just could not permit.  Sadly, the living situation only lasted for a month, at which point we had to ask her to leave due to certain behaviours and the poor choices she was making.  At that point I can&#8217;t say she was better or worse for having lived with us, but I believe we were planting seeds and speaking into her life, and we still pray for her and talk to her; she&#8217;s not out of our life entirely.  But for the sake of our daughter, she couldn&#8217;t stay with us.  Now, I know God uses these things and can bring it to remembrance in the future for her benefit.  We planted seeds, and the Holy Spirit will water them in His timing.  I also believe that He was testing us, to see if we were ready to walk out in what He planned for us.  Did we pass the test?  I don&#8217;t know, but He is unveiling things in us, and changing us, and stretching us in ways we cannot imagine.</p>
<p>If you told me a year ago that I, in particular, would have a heart for people, I would have said you were nuts.  I don&#8217;t like people, and I don&#8217;t like talking to people.  But now my home has become a whirlwind of activity, of visits from people.  I&#8217;ve reconnected with a friend I grew up with, watching his baptism, seen how God has changed his life and set him on fire for God.  We now see each other every week for bible study; sometimes two or three times a week.  I believe God brought him to us to set US on fire, like he is, and that we were brought to him to make him accountable to someone, and to be strength for him and his family.  God is blooming a relationship there in a huge way, and I&#8217;m so grateful for it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve run into a friend from 16 years or so ago whom if you told me he would be going to any church, let alone my church, I would have said you were cracked.  Sadly, he has some odd ideas that are not biblical, so I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;m here for correction and mentoring as well, or just to pray for truth and sight for him.  Time, and God, will tell.  But he&#8217;s another person back in our life.</p>
<p>There are other people in dire circumstances that are reaching out to US for prayer.  We&#8217;ve known these people for years and yes, we&#8217;ve talked to them and we like and enjoy spending time with them, but I&#8217;ve never seen myself as a witness or example for them, or someone I would think that THEY thought they could talk to!  Relationships are building there as well and just today I felt led to fast and pray for their circumstances, pleading before God to do a mighty work in their lives.</p>
<p>My sister-in-law and her boyfriend, whom we&#8217;ve been praying for years to get to church, have started coming to church.  Praise God!  Relationship there has been strained for a few years and by the Grace of God it is rebuilding as well and I just pray that the Word sinks in and brings life and conviction and a personal relationship with Jesus.</p>
<p>I took my daughter to the young adults worship service last night.  She&#8217;s far from being a young adult, but my little girl was praising with her hands high and on bended knee, kneeling before her King.  Praise God, it was a sight to bring tears to my eyes!  So now I&#8217;ve been told (by her) that we&#8217;re going every Monday night!  I can&#8217;t even describe how awesome that is.</p>
<p>My prayer life has gotten deeper, more intense.  I am a watchman on the wall.  I am standing in the gap for my brothers and sisters in Christ.  I bought a whiteboard the other day that is our prayer board and already there are over two dozen names and circumstances on there that will be prayed for daily until there is breakthrough.</p>
<p>Would all of this have come to pass if we hadn&#8217;t been obedient to God five months ago and brought this girl into our home for a month?  I don&#8217;t know, but I don&#8217;t believe it would.  I think you need to prove to God that you are ready to be responsible with what He wants to give you.  If God purposes for you to have an abundance of finances, but you squander what you have on foolish things, well guess what?  He won&#8217;t give you what He wants to because you are irresponsible with it.  Read the parable of the Talents (Matt 25:14-30).  You have to prove to God you are ready.</p>
<p>My wife and I always dreamed about having a big home and how we would have people over and have youth group things and whatnot there.  How we would be all evangelistic if God blessed us with a large home.  Well guess what?  God would never give it to us since we weren&#8217;t using the home we currently had for His work and His honor and His glory!  We could sit there and say &#8220;if&#8221; until the cows came home, but if we weren&#8217;t prepared and willing to use our home now, as modest as it is, for His work, no way were we going to get something better!</p>
<p>I love this quote&#8230; I have no idea who wrote it, but:</p>
<p>&#8220;If not me, who?  If not now, when?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well guess what.  It is US and it is TODAY!  There is such an urgency and a burden in me now to do God&#8217;s &#8220;thing&#8221; (whatever it is!) that I&#8217;m taking that leap of faith and letting Him put or pull me wherever He wants me.  That is what birthed this site.  That is what is birthing vision for great things of what God wants to do in me, and my family, and those around me.</p>
<p>Being obedient WILL change your life.  I&#8217;ve traded what was unimportant for what is of the utmost importance.  So I don&#8217;t watch as much TV.  So I don&#8217;t play video games as much.  So I don&#8217;t spend as much time doing recreational things.  So what!  None of that lasts.  TV and video games and other recreation is all stuff for the moment&#8230; it doesn&#8217;t last.  It&#8217;s not making me a better person.  It&#8217;s not serving anything or anyone but me, in the &#8220;now&#8221;.  What God is steering us towards is everlasting and of immense consequence.  And I know this is just the start of it.</p>
<p>Greater things have yet to come and greater things are still to be done!</p>
<p>I just love what God is doing and how He&#8217;s turned my life from being a person willing to give only &#8220;so much&#8221; and only to certain people, into someone who is shouldering burdens for anyone who asks.  And I love seeing this prophetic word start to unfold and if I look at it, I know there is so much more to come.  All I have to do to experience it is to humble myself and be obedient, and this is something that my wife and I are sold-out to do.</p>
<p>&#8220;But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.&#8221; (Joshua 24:15b, NKJV)</p>
<p>Amen!!
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